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'''KJV'''<blockquote><onlyinclude><includeonly>[[Psalm 33:6-9]]<br></includeonly><sup>6 </sup>By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.<br><sup>7 </sup>He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.<br><sup>8 </sup>Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.<br><sup>9 </sup>For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.[[Psalm 33:6-9#fiat|{{RedStar}}]]</onlyinclude>
'''KJV'''<blockquote><onlyinclude><includeonly>[[Psalm 33:6-9]]<br></includeonly><sup>6 </sup>By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.<br><sup>7 </sup>He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.<br><sup>8 </sup>Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.<br><sup>9 </sup>For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.[[Psalm 33:6-9#fiat|{{RedAsterisk}}]]</onlyinclude>
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'''JPS'''<blockquote><sup>7 </sup>He heaps up the ocean waters like a mound, stores the deep in vaults. </blockquote>
'''JPS'''<blockquote><sup>7 </sup>He heaps up the ocean waters like a mound, stores the deep in vaults. </blockquote>
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==<span id="fiat"></span>[[Fiat Creation]]==
==<span id="fiat"></span>[[Fiat Creation]]==
Verse 9 of this psalm is sometimes used out of context as a [[proof text]] of an "instantaneous" creation{{RedStar}}, but a cursory reading shows that the psalm celebrates the '''on-going''' goodness of the LORD as both Creator '''and Sustainer,''' celebrating his relationship with those who "fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy"(v. 18) &mdash; note the present tense (''gathereth, layeth'' KJV, ''piles, puts'' JPS, NET) in v.7!  It covers a period of three days in the week of Genesis 1 and does not add to the meaning of Genesis, or entitle us to impose a particular meaning of ''instantaneity'' on Genesis. See [[F. F. Bruce, Word and Wisdom]].
Verse 9 of this psalm is sometimes used out of context as a [[proof text]] of an "instantaneous" creation{{RedAsterisk}}, but a cursory reading shows that the psalm celebrates the '''on-going''' goodness of the LORD as both Creator '''and Sustainer,''' celebrating his relationship with those who "fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy"(v. 18) &mdash; note the present tense (''gathereth, layeth'' KJV, ''piles, puts'' JPS, NET) in v.7!  It covers a period of three days in the week of Genesis 1 and does not add to the meaning of Genesis, or entitle us to impose a particular meaning of ''instantaneity'' on Genesis. See [[F. F. Bruce, Word and Wisdom]].
::::{{RedStar}}Logic that has a comical result if applied to [[Psalm 68:11]]! &mdash; [[User:Bruce|BP]]
::::{{RedAsterisk}}Logic that has a comical result if applied to [[Psalm 68:11]]! &mdash; [[User:Bruce|BP]]
See also [[Psalm 33:13-15]] and [[Created, Formed and Made]].  
See also [[Psalm 33:13-15]] and [[Created, Formed and Made]].  
===<span id="probs"></span>Problems with literal reading===
===<span id="probs"></span>Problems with literal reading===
The claim is made [[Comment on Creation/EC/TE - Bible implications#lit|here]] that the psalm "accepts" events of early Genesis "as literally true".  A truly literal reading is impossible, however, as with [[Psalm 8:3-6]]. The psalm is poetry, and its language is poetical.  The ''host'' (army) of heaven itself is [[Metaphorical Language|a metaphor]]; God speaking with the breath of his mouth is metaphorical anthropomorphism.
The claim is made [[Comment on Creation/EC/TE - Bible implications#lit|here]] that the psalm "accepts" events of early Genesis "as literally true".  A truly literal reading is impossible, however, as with [[Psalm 8:3-6]]. The psalm is poetry, and its language is poetical.  The ''host'' (army) of heaven itself is [[Metaphorical Language|a metaphor]]; God speaking with the breath of his mouth is metaphorical anthropomorphism.
{{MidChain|Psalm 8:3-6| references said to [[Comment on Creation/EC/TE - Bible implications#lit|"accept"]] a literal Genesis |Psalm 94:8-9|#D4EFB8|#4D5642}}
{{MidChain|Psalm 8:3-6| references said to [[Comment on Creation/EC/TE - Bible implications#lit|"accept"]] a literal Genesis |Psalm 94:8-9|#D4EFB8|#4D5642}}

Revision as of 21:22, 4 July 2023

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KJV

By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

JPS

He heaps up the ocean waters like a mound, stores the deep in vaults.

NET

He piles up the water of the sea; he puts the oceans[a] in storehouses.

[a] tn Or "watery depths." The form תְּהוֹמוֹת (téhomot, "watery depths") is the plural form of תְּהוֹם (téhom, "great deep"; see Gen 1:2). [Gunkel identified language from ANE creation myth here. — BP]

A Creation Record

See The Primal Sea.

This psalm alludes to Genesis chapter 1. Verse 6 of this psalm refers to both the second day (the creation of the firmament) and the fourth day (the great lights and stars put in the firmament) in Genesis, while verse 7 refers to the first part of the third day.

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Fiat Creation

Verse 9 of this psalm is sometimes used out of context as a proof text of an "instantaneous" creation, but a cursory reading shows that the psalm celebrates the on-going goodness of the LORD as both Creator and Sustainer, celebrating his relationship with those who "fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy"(v. 18) — note the present tense (gathereth, layeth KJV, piles, puts JPS, NET) in v.7! It covers a period of three days in the week of Genesis 1 and does not add to the meaning of Genesis, or entitle us to impose a particular meaning of instantaneity on Genesis. See F. F. Bruce, Word and Wisdom.

Logic that has a comical result if applied to Psalm 68:11! — BP

See also Psalm 33:13-15 and Created, Formed and Made.

Problems with literal reading

The claim is made here that the psalm "accepts" events of early Genesis "as literally true". A truly literal reading is impossible, however, as with Psalm 8:3-6. The psalm is poetry, and its language is poetical. The host (army) of heaven itself is a metaphor; God speaking with the breath of his mouth is metaphorical anthropomorphism.

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