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''See also [[Christadelphian Commentators]] and [[Fact Check]].''
''See also:''
== Many sides of the Discussion ==
*[[:Category:Christadelphians Cited|Christadelphians Cited]]
*[[Christadelphian Participants, Commentators, Authorities]] and  
*[[Fact Check]]
*[[Qms:News and Developments]] — ''contrasting university students in USA and Australia.  (In summary, more theistic evolution in USA, more atheism in Australia.)''
*[[Evolution: overview of Judeo-Christian approaches]]
== Many sides of the Discussion ==
The scope of our task includes:
The scope of our task includes:
* Overview of the ''many sides of the discussion''
* Overview of the ''many sides of the discussion''
* a summary of relevant [[interpretations]] of [[Bible References|Scripture]]
* a summary of relevant [[interpretations]] of [[Bible References|Scripture]] (See also [[The Case for Considering the Science]].)
This page provides an overview of many different beliefs about matters of "Origins", organised as an index.  Christadelphians belong in the columns on the right hand side.
This page provides an overview of many different beliefs about matters of "Origins", organised as an index.  Christadelphians belong in the "Theist" columns on the right hand side.


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
!rowspan="3"|  !!rowspan="3"| [[ATHEISM]] !!rowspan="3"| [[AGNOSTICISM]] !!colspan="4"|[[THEISM]]  
!rowspan="3"|  !!rowspan="3"| [[Non-theism#Ath|ATHEISM]] !!rowspan="3"| [[Non-theism#Agno|AGNOSTICISM]] !!rowspan="3"| [[Non-theism#Dei|DEISM]] !!colspan="4"|[[Theism|THEISM]]  
|-
|-
!rowspan="2"|[[Evolutionary Creationism]] ||colspan="2"|[[Old Earth Creationism]]  
!rowspan="2"|[[Evolutionary Creationism]] ||colspan="2"|[[Old Earth Creationism]]  
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|-
|-
!rowspan="1"|without [[The "Gap Theory"|"gap"]]  
!rowspan="1"|without [[The "Gap Theory"|"gap"]]  
!rowspan="1"|with "gap"
!rowspan="1"|with [[The "Gap Theory"|"gap"]]
|-
|-
!GOD, THE CREATOR  
!GOD, THE CREATOR  
|does not exist  
|style="text-align:center;"|does not exist  
|may exist, may not
|style="text-align:center;"|may exist, may not
|style="text-align:center;"|exists but is not involved
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4" |exists
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4" |exists
|-
|-
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|style="text-align:center;"|[[The Big Bang|Big Bang]](s),<br/>[[multiple universes]]
|style="text-align:center;"|[[The Big Bang|Big Bang]](s),<br/>[[multiple universes]]
|style="text-align:center;"|[[The Big Bang|Big Bang]](s),<br/>[[multiple universes]],<br/>creation?
|style="text-align:center;"|[[The Big Bang|Big Bang]](s),<br/>[[multiple universes]],<br/>creation?
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|creation,<br/>[[The Big Bang|Big Bang]] possible,<br/>[[multiple universes]] possible
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4"|creation,<br/>[[The Big Bang|Big Bang]] possible,<br/>[[multiple universes]] possible
|Everything created 6,000 years ago
|style="text-align:center;"|Everything created 6,000 years ago
|-
|-
![[Age of the Earth|AGE OF THE EARTH]]
![[Age of the Earth|AGE OF THE EARTH]]
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|4,000,000,000 years
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4"|4,000,000,000 years
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|up to 4,000,000,000 years
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|up to 4,000,000,000 years
|style="text-align:center;" |6,000 years, or a little more
|style="text-align:center;" |6,000 years, or a little more
|-
![[The Witness of Scripture|WITNESS OF SCRIPTURE]]
|style="text-align:center;" |no
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|somewhat
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4"|trustworthy & authoritative, but requiring [[Interpretation of Scripture|interpretation]]
|-
![[The Witness of Creation|WITNESS OF CREATION]]
|style="text-align:center;" |no
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|possible
|style="text-align:center;" |trustworthy & authoritative, but requiring [[Knowledge, Understanding and Wisdom|study]]
|style="text-align:center;" |suspicious
|style="text-align:center;" |unreliable
|style="text-align:center;" |[[Created Deceptions|deceptive]] to the unfaithful
|-
!NATURE & ROLE OF [[Science|SCIENCE]]
|style="text-align:center;" |the only show in town
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|essential
|style="text-align:center;" |glorifies the Creator
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|good in its way, a blessing not to be abused
|style="text-align:center;" |dangerous human pride
|-
|-
![[The Origin of Life|ORIGIN OF LIFE]]
![[The Origin of Life|ORIGIN OF LIFE]]
|style="text-align:center;" |[[abiogenesis]],<br/>[[panspermia]]<br/>or unknown
|style="text-align:center;" |[[abiogenesis]],<br/>[[panspermia]]<br/>or unknown
|style="text-align:center;" |[[abiogenesis]],<br/>[[panspermia]]<br/>unknown, may be [[creation|created]]
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2" |[[abiogenesis]],<br/>[[panspermia]]<br/>unknown, may be [[creation|created]]
|style="text-align:center;"  colspan="4"|[[creation]]
|style="text-align:center;"  colspan="4"|[[creation]]
|-
|-
![[The Origin of Species|ORIGIN OF SPECIES]]
![[The Origin of Species|ORIGIN OF SPECIES]]
|style="text-align:center;" |[[evolution]]
|style="text-align:center;" |[[evolution]]
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|evolution, [[macro-evolution]], [[micro-evolution]]<br/>and [[specific creation|creation of species]] all possible
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|evolution, [[macro-evolution]], [[micro-evolution]]<br/>and [[specific creation|creation of species]] all possible
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|creation of species<br/>sometimes [[Baraminology|creation of kinds or “baramins”]] with micro‐evolution within them
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|[[specific creation|creation of each species]];<br/>sometimes [[Baraminology|creation of kinds or “baramins”]] with micro‐evolution within them
|-
![[Origin of Death and Predation in Nature|ORIGIN OF DEATH & PREDATION IN NATURE]]
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="6"|an intrinsic part of all life on Earth
|style="text-align:center;" |sometimes: imposed on nature following human sin
|-
![[Origin of Human Mortality|ORIGIN OF HUMAN MORTALITY]]
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4"|an intrinsic part of all life from the earth
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|sometimes intrinsic; sometimes imposed as physical punishment for Adam and Eve's sin
|-
|-
!WORLD-WIDE [[The Flood|FLOOD]]<br/>5,000 years ago
!WORLD-WIDE [[The Flood|FLOOD]]<br/>5,000 years ago
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|no
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4"|no
|style="text-align:center;" |unlikely
|style="text-align:center;" |unlikely
|style="text-align:center;" |possible
|style="text-align:center;" |possible
|style="text-align:center;" |probable
|style="text-align:center;" |probable
|-
|-
![[The Witness of Scripture|WITNESS OF SCRIPTURE]]
![[Dinosaurs|DINOSAURS]]
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="6"|yes
|style="text-align:center;" |faked age
|-
![[Pre-Adamic Humans|HUMANS BEFORE ADAM]]<br/>6,000 years ago
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4"|yes
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|possibly
|style="text-align:center;" |no
|style="text-align:center;" |no
|style="text-align:center;" |somewhat
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4"|trustworthy & authoritative, but requiring [[Interpretation of Scripture|interpretation]]
|-
|-
![[The Witness of Creation|WITNESS OF CREATION]]
![[Monogenesis|DESCENT FROM A SINGLE COUPLE]]<br/>6,000 years ago
|style="text-align:center;" |no
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|no
|style="text-align:center;" |possible
|style="text-align:center;" |possibly but not exclusively
|style="text-align:center;" |trustworthy & authoritative, but requiring [[Knowledge, Understanding and Wisdom|study]]
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|probably
|style="text-align:center;" |suspicious
|style="text-align:center;" |yes
|style="text-align:center;" |unreliable
|style="text-align:center;" |[[Created Deceptions|deceptive]] to the unfaithful
|-
|-
![[Created Deceptions|CREATED DECEPTIONS]],<br/>TO TEST FAITH
![[Created Deceptions|CREATED DECEPTIONS]],<br/>TO TEST FAITH
|style="text-align:center;" |rubbish
|style="text-align:center;" |nonsense
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|no
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|no
|style="text-align:center;" |possible
|style="text-align:center;" |possible
|style="text-align:center;" |probable
|style="text-align:center;" |probable
|style="text-align:center;" |yes
|style="text-align:center;" |yes
|-
|-
!"[[Appearance of Age]]|APPEARANCE OF AGE"<br/>(created to seem old, but isn't)
![[Appearance of Age|"APPEARANCE OF AGE"]]<br/>(created to seem old, but isn't)
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="5"|no
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="6"|no
|style="text-align:center;" |usually
|style="text-align:center;" |usually
|-
|-
![[Flood Geology]]|FLOOD GEOLOGY
![[Flood Geology|FLOOD GEOLOGY]]
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|no
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4"|no
|style="text-align:center;" |unlikely
|style="text-align:center;" |unlikely
|style="text-align:center;" |possible
|style="text-align:center;" |possible
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|-
|-
![[Rapid evolution after the Flood|RAPID EVOLUTION AFTER UNIVERSAL FLOOD]]
![[Rapid evolution after the Flood|RAPID EVOLUTION AFTER UNIVERSAL FLOOD]]
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|no
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4"|no
|style="text-align:center;" |possible
|style="text-align:center;" |possible
|style="text-align:center;" |usually
|style="text-align:center;" |usually
|style="text-align:center;" |Often no.  Sometimes yes, with much micro-evolution.
|style="text-align:center;" |Often no.  Sometimes yes, with much micro-evolution.
|-
!NATURE & ROLE OF [[Science|SCIENCE]]
|style="text-align:center;" |the only show in town
|style="text-align:center;" |essential
|style="text-align:center;" |glorifies the Creator
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|good in its way, a blessing not to be abused
|style="text-align:center;" |dangerous human pride
|-
|-
![[Uniformitarianism|UNIFORMITARIANISM]]
![[Uniformitarianism|UNIFORMITARIANISM]]
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|yes
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4"|yes
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|partly
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|partly
|style="text-align:center;" |only in biology
|style="text-align:center;" |no
|-
|-
![[Intelligent Design|INTELLIGENT DESIGN]]
![[Beliefs about Arguments from Design|INTELLIGENT DESIGN]]
|style="text-align:center;" |no
|style="text-align:center;" |no
|style="text-align:center;" |unlikely
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="2"|unlikely
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|possible
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|possible
|style="text-align:center;" |usually
|style="text-align:center;" |usually
|-
|-
![[Science as Conspiracy|SCIENCE CONSPIRACY]]
![[Science as Conspiracy|SCIENCE CONSPIRACY]]
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|no
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="4"|no
|style="text-align:center;" |possible
|style="text-align:center;" |possible
|style="text-align:center;" |probable
|style="text-align:center;" |probable
|style="text-align:center;" |yes
|style="text-align:center;" |yes
|-
![[Accommodation of divergent beliefs|ACCOMMODATION]] of varying views within fellowship
|style="text-align:center;" colspan="3"|
|style="text-align:center;" |yes with some concerns
|style="text-align:center;"  colspan="2"|undecided
|style="text-align:center;" |varies
|}
|}

Latest revision as of 10:08, 4 December 2023

See also:

Many sides of the Discussion

The scope of our task includes:

This page provides an overview of many different beliefs about matters of "Origins", organised as an index. Christadelphians belong in the "Theist" columns on the right hand side.

ATHEISM AGNOSTICISM DEISM THEISM
Evolutionary Creationism Old Earth Creationism Young Earth Creationism
without "gap" with "gap"
GOD, THE CREATOR does not exist may exist, may not exists but is not involved exists
COSMIC HISTORY Big Bang(s),
multiple universes
Big Bang(s),
multiple universes,
creation?
creation,
Big Bang possible,
multiple universes possible
Everything created 6,000 years ago
AGE OF THE EARTH 4,000,000,000 years up to 4,000,000,000 years 6,000 years, or a little more
WITNESS OF SCRIPTURE no somewhat trustworthy & authoritative, but requiring interpretation
WITNESS OF CREATION no possible trustworthy & authoritative, but requiring study suspicious unreliable deceptive to the unfaithful
NATURE & ROLE OF SCIENCE the only show in town essential glorifies the Creator good in its way, a blessing not to be abused dangerous human pride
ORIGIN OF LIFE abiogenesis,
panspermia
or unknown
abiogenesis,
panspermia
unknown, may be created
creation
ORIGIN OF SPECIES evolution evolution, macro-evolution, micro-evolution
and creation of species all possible
creation of each species;
sometimes creation of kinds or “baramins” with micro‐evolution within them
ORIGIN OF DEATH & PREDATION IN NATURE an intrinsic part of all life on Earth sometimes: imposed on nature following human sin
ORIGIN OF HUMAN MORTALITY an intrinsic part of all life from the earth sometimes intrinsic; sometimes imposed as physical punishment for Adam and Eve's sin
WORLD-WIDE FLOOD
5,000 years ago
no unlikely possible probable
DINOSAURS yes faked age
HUMANS BEFORE ADAM
6,000 years ago
yes possibly no
DESCENT FROM A SINGLE COUPLE
6,000 years ago
no possibly but not exclusively probably yes
CREATED DECEPTIONS,
TO TEST FAITH
nonsense no possible probable yes
"APPEARANCE OF AGE"
(created to seem old, but isn't)
no usually
FLOOD GEOLOGY no unlikely possible usually
RAPID EVOLUTION AFTER UNIVERSAL FLOOD no possible usually Often no. Sometimes yes, with much micro-evolution.
UNIFORMITARIANISM yes partly no
INTELLIGENT DESIGN no unlikely possible usually
SCIENCE CONSPIRACY no possible probable yes
ACCOMMODATION of varying views within fellowship yes with some concerns undecided varies